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		<title>Hippolytus and the Original Date of Christmas</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[***Update-see my new post on Clement of Alexandria and Christmas December 25th**** Around this time last year I put up a blog post pointing out that Hippolytus of Rome names December 25 as the birthday of Jesus in his Commentary &#8230; <a href="http://chronicon.net/blog/chronology/hippolytus-and-the-original-date-of-christmas/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>***Update-see my new post on <a href="http://chronicon.net/blog/hippolytus/clement-of-alexandria-and-the-original-date-of-christmas-as-december-25th/">Clement of Alexandria</a> and Christmas December 25th****</p>
<p>Around this time last year I put up <a href="http://chronicon.net/blog/chronology/hippolytus-and-december-25th-the-birthday-of-christ/">a blog pos</a>t pointing out that Hippolytus of Rome names December 25 as the birthday of Jesus in his <em>Commentary on Daniel </em>(written probably between 202-211 A.D.)</p>
<p>The passage reads as follows:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>For the first advent of our Lord in the flesh, when he was born in Bethlehem, was December 25th, a Wednesday, while Augustus was in his forty-second year, but from Adam, five thousand and five hundred years.  He suffered in the thirty-third year, March 25th, Friday, the eighteenth year of Tiberius Caesar, while Rufus and Roubellion were Consuls. ~<em>Commentary on Daniel 4.23.3</em></strong></p></blockquote>
<p>According to this passage Jesus was born on December 25 (the winter solstice according to the Julian calendar)  3 or 4 BC (depending on how we count for the incorrect implementation of the Julian calendar) and that Jesus died on the Passover of March 25 (which was the vernal equinox in the Julian calendar) of 29 A.D.  (see my article for details on this)</p>
<p>However the manuscript tradition for this passage is contradictory and most scholars believe that the date of December 25 was added by a later scribe and that Hippolytus did not record it himself.</p>
<p>When I finished translating Hippolytus&#8217; <a href="http://chronicon.net/blog/hippolytus/hippolytus-of-romes-commentary-on-daniel-published/">Commentary on Daniel</a> I decided to look into this matter fully because there were some details that I needed to sort out.  I published the resulting article as an appendix to my translation which I have now <a href="http://www.chronicon.net/chroniconfiles/Hippolytus%20and%20December%2025th.pdf">placed online</a>. It&#8217;s rather long and complex and deals with mathematical calculations and the nuances of the Greek language, so here is a quick summary.  Please see the article for all of the details and for complete explanations.</p>
<p>There are six Greek manuscripts and a medieval Slavonic translation which contain the passage at hand:</p>
<p>A=10th Century<br />
B=15th/16th Century<br />
G1=13th Century<br />
G2=14th Century<br />
J=11th Century<br />
P=13th Century<br />
S=Old Slavonic translation 11th Century (4 manuscripts exist)</p>
<p>All of these contain the date of December 25 except for manuscript J, which contains no date. However Manuscript A mysteriously contains two dates, December 25 and another fragmentary date in either late March or early April. In essence manuscript A does not make any sense. (my article has the original Greek of the manuscripts for comparative purposes) Also, George Syncellus (9th century) claims that Hippolytus believed Jesus was born on December 25 but George of Arabia (8th century) quotes the passage according to manuscript J which omits any date for Jesus&#8217; birth.</p>
<p>Furthermore Hippolytus talks about Jesus&#8217; birth and death in two other works, his <em>Canon</em> (a table of 112 rotating dates for the Passover which I reproduce in my article) and his <a href="http://www.chronicon.net/chroniconfiles/Chronicon%20of%20Hippolytus%20translated%20by%20TC%20Schmidt%20and%20Nick%20Nicholas%202nd%20edition%20rough%20draft.pdf"><em>Chronicon</em></a>.  The <em>Canon </em>claims that the &#8220;Genesis&#8221; (γένεσις) of Jesus was on the Passover of April 2 2BC and that Jesus died on the Passover, March 25 29 A.D (the date of death agrees with the <em>Commentary</em>)</p>
<p>The <em>Chronicon </em>does not give a specific date for his birth or death but the years that it gives match with 2 BC and 29 A.D. for the birth and death of Jesus respectively. Both of these works also claim that Jesus was born 5502 years from the creation of the world, whereas the <em>Commentary on Daniel </em>claims that he was born 5500 years from the creation of the world.</p>
<p>These two works (seem to) contradict the <em>Commentary on Daniel</em> in two ways; they move Jesus&#8217; date of birth two years forward, but keep the same date of his death, so that he loses two years in age (Jesus died at 30 years as opposed to 32) and is born two years later (5502 verses 5500 years from the creation of the world). Secondly, if we interpret the term &#8220;Genesis&#8221; as referring to birth than  Jesus is also born on a different calendar day (April 2 versus December 25), however if we interpret it as referring to conception then this would agree with the<em> Commentary on Daniel</em> because April 2 is roughly 9 months before December 25 (thus it would match a regular gestation period)</p>
<p>Scholars have taken the above evidence and decided to solve this problem in three ways. One is to accept the date given by manuscript J and George of Arabia. The problem with this is that it does not explain the contradiction between the age of Jesus and the age of the world given in the <em>Commentary on Daniel</em> and those same dates as  given in his other two works (Manuscript J does not have the date of December 25 but it does say that Jesus was in his 33rd year when he died, in other words he was 32 years old when he died.)</p>
<p>The second method is to reconstruct the fragmentary date in Manuscript A to agree with what Hippolytus says of Jesus&#8217; birth in his <em>Canon </em>and in his <em>Chronicon</em>. This theory claims that the term &#8220;Genesis&#8221; refers to &#8220;birth.&#8221; This is an ingenious solution, but it requires that the age of Jesus given in every manuscript and by George of Arabia be altered by two years (technically Manuscript B has a lacuna here). It also does not take into account testimony in Hippolytus&#8217; <em>Chronicon </em>and does not account for the linguistic evidence for the meaning of the term &#8220;Genesis.&#8221; I will discuss both these points below.</p>
<p>The third method has never been fully developed until now, but some groundwork was introduced by<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=v9EytvO-jA8C&amp;dq=%22commentary%20on%20daniel%20enables%20us%20to%20answer%20another%20question%22&amp;pg=PA161#v=onepage&amp;q=%22commentary%20on%20daniel%20enables%20us%20to%20answer%20another%20question%22&amp;f=false"> G. Salmon</a> in (1892) and it was supported by <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=X9kAAAAAYAAJ&amp;dq=bonwetsch%20%22ausgabe%20der%20clemensbriefe%22&amp;pg=PA515#v=onepage&amp;q=bonwetsch%20%22ausgabe%20der%20clemensbriefe%22&amp;f=false">Bonwetsch </a>(1895). First let&#8217;s start with the term &#8220;Genesis.&#8221; I did an exhaustive search of this term in the works attributed to Hippolytus using the <a href="http://www.tlg.uci.edu/">Thesaurus Lingua Graecae </a>database, I also searched for contemporary usages of this term. &#8220;Genesis” is a difficult term to define and it can mean either birth or conception, however conception seems to be the favored definition. See my article for a full discussion and references.</p>
<p>Here is a reference from <em>Against All Heresies</em>, a work written by Hippolytus or a member of his community.</p>
<blockquote><p>“They draw [a horoscope] from the <strong>genesis </strong>of the people who are being examined from unquestionably the depositing of the seed and conception or from birth.” ~Against All Heresies 4.3.5</p></blockquote>
<p>As you can see there are two possible meanings for the term &#8220;genesis&#8221; but the author appears to favor conception because he adds the particle &#8220;unquestionably.&#8221; The great physician Galen, Methodius, and the famous Christian Clement of Alexandria all use “genesis” to describe conception as well.  Here is one of two quotes I found from Clement</p>
<blockquote><p>It is not therefore frequent intercourse by the parents, but the reception of it [the seed] in the womb which corresponds with genesis. ~Clement of Alexandria Stromata 3.12.83.2</p></blockquote>
<p>Furthermore “genesis” is used in the Gospel of Matthew 1:18 where it appears to refer to Jesus’ conception  (I realize that all major translations translate this term as birth, my point is simply to show that conception can fit within this context and perhaps that it is indeed the better translation):</p>
<blockquote><p>The genesis of Jesus Christ happened in this way. After his mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child by the Holy Spirit. ~Matthew 1:18</p></blockquote>
<p>Given the above evidence it seems that the <em>Canon </em>does in fact support a date around December 25 for the birth of Jesus. And in the least it certainly does not contradict this possibility.</p>
<p><a href="#chronicon">Secondly when I was looking at my translation of the </a>  <em><a href="http://www.chronicon.net/chroniconfiles/Chronicon%20of%20Hippolytus%20translated%20by%20TC%20Schmidt%20and%20Nick%20Nicholas%202nd%20edition%20rough%20draft.pdf">Chronicon</a> </em>I realized that it contains an important clue that has gone unrecognized. It does not claim that Jesus was born 5502 years from the creation of the world, but rather that he was born 5502 years and 9 months from the creation of the world.</p>
<blockquote><p>…from Adam until the transmigration into Babylon under Jeconiah, 57 generations, 4,842 years, 9 months. And after the transmigration into Babylon until the generation of Christ, there was 14 generations, 660 years, and from the generation of Christ until the Passion there was 30 years and from the Passion up until this year which is year 13 of the Emperor Alexander, there is 206 years. Therefore all the years from Adam up until year 13 of the Emperor Alexander make 5,738 years. ~Chronicon §686-688</p></blockquote>
<p>This means that Jesus was born 9 months from the anniversary of the creation of the world and was therefore likely, in the mind of Hippolytus, conceived on the very anniversary day of the creation of the world.</p>
<p>If we compare the calculations given in the <em>Chronicon </em>and in the <em>Canon it </em>is clear that Hippolytus believed the world was created on March 25 the vernal equinox (see my article for full details) nine months after this date is of course December 25 the winter solstice, meaning that the <em>Chronicon </em>claims that Jesus was born on December 25 and therefore agrees exactly with the <em>Commentary on Daniel</em>!</p>
<p>One final contradiction remains. Though both the <em>Canon </em>and the <em>Chronicon </em>seem to agree with the <em>Commentary on Daniel</em> in claiming that Jesus was born on December 25, there is a two year difference between them and the <em>Commentary</em> concerning the year in which Jesus was born. This two year difference, as first pointed out by G. Salmon, is explained by looking at the method in which Hippolytus calculated the dates of various Passovers in his <em>Canon</em>.</p>
<p>Now the <em>Canon </em>is a table of 112 dates and is meant to show all Passovers past and future (calculating the dates of Passovers is very complex and Hippolytus failed in his attempt). To use the table, the reader finds the place in the table that corresponds with the year of interest and date of the Passover and the day of the week is given in that place. (see my article for a full description and the table of Passovers, it will help to visualize what is going on here)</p>
<p>When we look at the <em>Canon</em>, we see that it claims that Jesus was conceived on the Passover of 2 BC, which corresponds to April 2. However, if we increase Jesus&#8217; age by two years but keep the same date of his death, as is done in the <em>Commentary on Daniel</em>, we see that, amazingly, the <em>Canon indicates </em>that Jesus would have been conceived on March 25 4 BC. This agrees exactly with the implication in the  <em>Commentary on Daniel</em> because if Jesus was born on December 25 4BC it implies that he was conceived on March 25 4BC, exactly 9 months earlier.</p>
<p>This demonstrates either a profound coincidence or  that Hippolytus was using the same mathematical calculations in both works and shows exactly why he chose the date of April 2 when he altered the age of Jesus by two years.  Because Hippolytus believed that Jesus was conceived on the Passover, he simply changed the date of Jesus&#8217; conception along with the changed date of the Passover (the Passover is on a different date every year). However he did not change the date of Jesus&#8217; birth because in the <em>Chronicon</em>, which was written 20-30 years after the <em>Commentary on Daniel</em> and 13 years after the <em>Canon</em>, he claims that Jesus was born nine months after March 25 (as shown above).</p>
<p>It is important to point out that even if we disregard all of the evidence in favor of the December 25 date in the <em>Commentary on Daniel</em>, it still stands that in the <em>Chronicon </em>Hippolytus indicates that Jesus was in fact born on December 25 because he claims that Jesus was born nine months from the anniversary of the creation of the world.  Because the <em>Chronicon </em>indicates that the world was created on March 25, the vernal equinox, nine months from this date is of course December 25.</p>
<p>From this we can safely say that, sometime between 202 and 211 AD, Hippolytus marked December 25th as the birthday of Jesus.  This clearly had nothing to do with Pagan festivals, but was derived from the idea that Jesus was conceived on the Passover.<br />
This date was chosen because it aligned precisely with the idea that the earth was created on the Vernal Equinox and that Jesus was conceived and killed on that very same day, March 25th which also coincided with the Passover.  Later Hippolytus changed his mind and made the date of Jesus&#8217; conception April 2, so that it no longer fell on the vernal equinox, but still fell on the Passover of that year.</p>
<p>None of this, however, seems to be based off of any historical tradition about Jesus, but instead is based off of incorrect retrograded calculations concerning the dates of previous Passovers.   (I could perhaps be persuaded that there was historical tradition about  how Jesus was conceived on the Passover because this seems to be a fairly universal theme amongst the fathers of the church, however because Hippolytus, a fan of apostolic tradition himself, always appeals to mathematical reasons for this date and not tradition, I doubt that this is true)</p>
<p>Soon I will post my second appendix, which briefly talks him about how I believe that Clement of Alexandria, (c193-215 AD), the only person with a claim of setting the date of Jesus&#8217; birth before Hippolytus, is probably dependent upon Hippolytus and how he himself also  may support the date of December 25 for Jesus&#8217; birth.</p>
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		<title>Interesting article on the Chronicon of Hippolytus</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yancy Smith has pointed me to this interesting article Julius Africanus und die christliche Weltchronik: Julius Africanus und die christliche Weltchronistik. Edited by Martin Wallraff. New York: Walter de Gruyter, 2006. Especially the article by Osvalda Andrei, “Dalle Chronographiai di Giulio Africano di Giulo Africano alla Synagoge &#8230; <a href="http://chronicon.net/blog/chronology/interesting-article-on-the-chronicon-of-hippolytus/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yancy Smith has pointed me to this interesting article</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Julius Africanus und die christliche Weltchronik: Julius Africanus und die christliche Weltchronistik</em>. Edited by Martin Wallraff. New York: Walter de Gruyter, 2006. Especially the article by Osvalda Andrei, “Dalle Chronographiai di Giulio Africano di Giulo Africano alla Synagoge di &#8216;Ippolito&#8217;: Un debattio sulla scrittura cristiana del tempo,” 113-45</p></blockquote>
<p>According to Yancy this article claims that there is some interdependence between Hippolytus&#8217; and Julius Africanus&#8217; <em>Chronicles </em>and also Hippolytus&#8217; <em>Commentary on Daniel.</em> I&#8217;ll have to ILL this thing and see how well I can get through the Italian.</p>
<p>Thanks Yancy!</p>
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		<title>Chronicon Completed (Finally!)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have posted the final version of Hippolytus of Rome&#8217;s Chronicon here.  Though I essentially finished in 2009, it took me a while to get posted.  I would like to thank Roger Pearse, Nick Nicholas, and Yancy Smith for their &#8230; <a href="http://chronicon.net/blog/chronology/chronicon-completed-finally/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have posted the final version of Hippolytus of Rome&#8217;s <em>Chronicon </em><a href="http://www.chronicon.net/church%20fathers/hippolytus/chronicon/Chronicon%20of%20Hippolytus%20translated%20by%20TC%20Schmidt">here</a>.  Though I essentially finished in 2009, it took me a while to get posted.  I would like to thank Roger Pearse, Nick Nicholas, and Yancy Smith for their help, advice and encouragement.  I would also like to thank my brother and my wife for helping me type up a rather monotonous text!  Still, there are some good interesting bits in it, I can&#8217;t say that my translation lacks errors, I&#8217;m sure some are there, with all of the hundreds of place names and proper names its nearly impossible to get them all right without a small team of people.  Let me know what you all think of this.</p>
<p>My translation of Hippolytus&#8217; Commentary on Daniel should be posted in the next 4 weeks (I promise!).</p>
<p>Here is my introduction to the text:</p>
<blockquote><p>Hippolytus wrote his <em>Chronicon </em>in the year 235AD as he himself tells us.  His goal seems to have been threefold: to make a chronology from the beginning of the world up until his present day, to create a genealogical record of mankind, and to create a geographical record of mankind’s locations on the earth.  For his task Hippolytus seems to have made use of the Old Testament, to research the chronology and genealogies, and a nautical dictionary, to research the distances between locations in and around the Mediterranean Sea.</p>
<p>Though Hippolytus published his <em>Chronicon </em>several years after Julius Africanus published his own <em>Chronicon</em>, Hippolytus does not, as far as I can tell, reference his contemporary’s work nor does he seem to write in response to it.  Despite not gaining the level of prestige as Africanus, Hippolytus’ Chronicon seems to have been fairly successful.  Many historians made use of it, such as the author of the Chronography of 354, Epiphanius of Salamis, the author of the Chronicon Paschal, and George Syncellus.</p>
<p>For this translation the GCS (Die Griechischen Christlichen Schriftsteller) series number 46 was used.  From lines 1 to 613 the Greek of two manuscripts H1 and H2 were used.  From lines 614-720 the Latin translation from the Liber Generationis 1 of the Chronography of 354 was primarily used.  Whenever this was nonsensical, I attempted to compare it with a German translation of the Armenian or the Liber Generationis 2. From lines 721-741 a Greek fragment was used, and from lines 742-778 the Latin from the Liber Generationis 1 was used again.</p>
<p>The footnotes are not exhaustive, they are meant only to point out difficult readings, suggest possible translations of people groups and locations not found in William Smith&#8217;s Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiquities, and occasionally provide references to other ancient authors.  The maps by Heinrich Kiepert can be used to find many of the people groups and locations mentioned in this work.  These maps are in the public domain can be found on many websites.</p>
<p>The form we have the <em>Chronicon </em>in today contains errors and the reader is cautioned against using Hippolytus’ dates, names, and locations without further research. Additionally, this is my first attempt at translating a work from Greek and Latin into English, and no doubt many of the errors are due to my own inattentiveness and not the editors of the GCS or Hippolytus.</p>
<p>This translation needs one more revision using the Thesaurus Linguae Graecae (TLG) database to truly ensure a proper translation, but I do not have the time for such a task at the moment.</p>
<p>I would like to thank Nick Nicholas and Yancy Smith for their help and advice, Roger Pearse for his inspiration, which led me to take up this task, and my brother Mike, for recording my dictation.  Lastly, and most of all, I thank my very pregnant wife, who spent countless hours typing up a work that, by any standard, is not a pleasant read!</p>
<p>T.C. Schmidt</p></blockquote>
<p>-Update-</p>
<p>I am already noticing errors in my text, so I am noting them and then will incorporate corrections into my next edition.  Nick Nicholas also made several good suggestions which I forgot to include and will put these into the next edition as well.  If any of you notice errors please email them to me.  My address can be found <a href="http://www.chronicon.net/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=4&amp;Itemid=5">here </a></p>
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		<title>Hippolytus and December 25th, the birthday of Christ-Christmas</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 04:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[****go here for a much more in-depth discussion that supersedes the discussion below**** *Scroll down for more updates* Roger Pearse is discussing the dates of the Winter Solstice and &#8220;Brumalia&#8221; to see if and how they correspond with December 25th.  &#8230; <a href="http://chronicon.net/blog/chronology/hippolytus-and-december-25th-the-birthday-of-christ/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>****go <a href="http://chronicon.net/blog/chronology/hippolytus-and-the-original-date-of-christmas/">here </a>for a much more in-depth discussion that supersedes the discussion below****</p>
<p>*Scroll down for more updates*</p>
<p><a href="http://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/">Roger Pearse</a> is discussing the dates of the Winter Solstice and &#8220;Brumalia&#8221; to see if and how they correspond with December 25th.  But why do we think Jesus was born on December 25th?  I thought that I would throw my hat into the ring and give the earliest reference to December 25 as the birthday of Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>Hippolytus in his Commentary on Daniel 4.23.3 says:</p>
<blockquote><p>For the first advent of our Lord in the flesh, when he was born in Bethlehem, eight days before the kalends of January [December 25th], the 4th day of the week [Wednesday], while Augustus was in his forty-second year, [2 or 3BC] but from Adam five thousand and five hundred years.  He suffered in the thirty third year, 8 days before the kalends of April [March 25th], the Day of Preparation, the fifteenth year of Tiberius Caesar [29 or 30 AD], while Rufus and Roubellion and Gaius Caesar, for the 4th time, and Gaius Cestius Saturninus were Consuls.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how to calculate the 42nd year of Augustus and the 15th of Tiberius, do we count inclusively or exclusively?  Does a partial year reign count as a full one?  Or does the year begin on the day the man became emperor (March 15th 44bc in the case of Augustus?).  Lastly, don&#8217;t we date King Herod&#8217;s death to 4BC based only off of Josephus?  As I recall the contemporary historians Tacitus and Suetonius don&#8217;t give enough information about his reign.  If so, couldn&#8217;t Josephus be a year or two off?   Finally, where is a good source on lists of Consuls?</p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
<p>-Update-</p>
<p>Peter (in the comments) rightly reminded me that some believe that Hippolytus&#8217; reference to December 25 as the birthday of Christ is a later interpolation.  Quasten says this in his Patrology. The most modern edition of Hippolytus&#8217; commentary GCS (Die Griechischen Christlichen Schriftsteller) series number NF 7, puts the text in brackets indicating that it is a conjecture (or perhaps an interpolation), as does GCS #1 found <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=UdIYAAAAYAAJ">here</a>.  However the SC (Source Christianes) Series 13 edition (published in 1947), contains the text as I gave it above above.</p>
<p>Furthermore, the text that the most modern edition gives doesn&#8217;t seem to make sense.  It reads as follows:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;For the first advent of our Lord in the flesh, when he was born in Bethlehem,<strong> four days before the Nones of April, 8 days before the kalends of January</strong>, the 4th day of the week [Wednesday], while Agustus was in his forty-second year, [2 or 3BC] but from Adam five thousand and five hundred years.  He suffered in the thirty third year, 8 days before the kalends of April [March 25th], the Day of Preparation&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Now in my photocopy of the page the German footnotes are partially cut off, making it very difficult to understand what actually is going on here. The older GCS edition seems to contain the same set of footnotes and it seems that there is conflicting manuscript tradition.   Anyone with a better knowledge of German able to sort this out?  You can see the footnotes <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=UdIYAAAAYAAJ&amp;pg=PA242#v=onepage&amp;q=&amp;f=false">here</a></p>
<p>Do scholars label this an interpolation simply because they think that the traditional date of December was not settled on until after Hippolytus?  Or are their more reasons?</p>
<p>-Update-</p>
<p>For those outside the US the GCS #1 volume is now on my website.  Look for page 242 or 295 of the PDF.</p>
<p>http://www.chronicon.net/chroniconfiles/GCS1hippolytusWerke.pdf</p>
<p>-Update-</p>
<p>Hippolytus has this to say in the ancient latin translation of his <strong>Chronicon </strong>about the birth and death of Christ (No Greek fragments survive from this portion of his Chronicon).  <strong>Chronicon Section 687</strong>:</p>
<blockquote><p>And after the transmigration into Babylon until the birth of Christ, there were 14 generations, 660 years, and from the birth of Christ until the Passion there was 30 years and from the Passion up until this year which is the 13th year of the Emperor Alexander, there is 206 years.</p></blockquote>
<p>The 13th year of Emperor Alexander Severus was 235AD [which makes 29AD for the death of Jesus according to the Latin].  Another Latin manuscript reads that it was 207 years from the passion of Christ until the 13th year of Alexander [28 AD for the death of Jesus].  The Armenian manuscript claims Christ was 32 when he died and that there are 205 years from Christ’s death to the 12th year and 6th month of Emperor Alexander’s reign [3BC].  It  is interesting to note that in his Chronicon Hippolytus claims that Jesus died when he was 30, but in his Commentary on Daniel he says he was 33 years old.  However, if we assume that the Armenian manuscript is more accurate than the Latin (Armenian often is more accurate) in which case what Hippolytus states in his Chronicon agrees pretty well with what he says in his Commentary on Daniel.  Read Hans Dampf&#8217;s insightful comments below about Jesus being born in 3BC.</p>
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